6:19PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10129398/Screenshots/WF0059.png
<Simba:#floridafurs> The router he's connecting through is susceptable to the IRC disconnect caused by carefully malformed DCC requests that people exploit.  He was getting hit by it, getting disconnected, auto-reconnecting, auto identifying, and auto joining the channel.
06:20PM <MegaWolf:#floridafurs> Mew
06:20PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> so, simba, why don't you act upon the people that are sending these "carefully malformed DCC requests"?
06:20PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> obviously, if you're trying to promote freedom by lacking rules, you should realize that these people are hindering their victim's freedom
<Simba:#floridafurs> That got rather spammy, so a ban was added until he could de-idle, read my messages to him on how to fix the problem (one of the fixes is to connect to IRC on another port other than 6667), he's done so, and now he can re-join without being spammy.
<Simba:#floridafurs> Inaba:  Because the people causing the disconnects aren't the ones with broken setups.
06:21PM <MegaWolf:#floridafurs> ugh, this crap again
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<Simba:#floridafurs> I'm not going to punish people for being able to send text to the Internets.
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06:21PM <dariusdt:#floridafurs> lmao
06:21PM <dariusdt:#floridafurs> he tried it again
06:21PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> So, you purposefully allow people to hinder others' ability to use your network?
06:21PM <dariusdt:#floridafurs> "ChiefTenBeers"
06:21PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> isn't that a bit ironic for an IRC network?
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06:21PM <Sniffer:#floridafurs> let's all DOS the network..  it's only text.
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<Simba:#floridafurs> No, I'm pretty sure I purposefully told them how to fix the problem.
06:22PM <laveur:#floridafurs> There
06:22PM <dariusdt:#floridafurs> yah he just tried it again
<Simba:#floridafurs> You can't DOS the network with only text.
06:22PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> then why aren't the attackers removed from the network?
<Simba:#floridafurs> Because they're not doing anything wrong.
06:22PM <dariusdt:#floridafurs> well
06:22PM <dariusdt:#floridafurs> technically
06:22PM <dariusdt:#floridafurs> it is an exploit
06:22PM <dariusdt:#floridafurs> weither our setup is wrong or not
06:22PM <dariusdt:#floridafurs> it's an exploit
06:22PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> so, what if they started doing it to you?
06:22PM <Fox_Dude:#floridafurs> It's the same as exploiting peoples computers to send out spam, right?
<Simba:#floridafurs> I'm unaffected.
<Simba:#floridafurs> I fixed my shit ages ago.
06:23PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> are you just going to sit around and let him do it?
06:23PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> and if he finds an exploit specifically for you
<Simba:#floridafurs> Then I'll fix what's broken.
06:23PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> so, you care only for yourself, and not others?
<Simba:#floridafurs> 'cause if I leave it in a broken state, then another guy can just come along and exploit it, too.
<Simba:#floridafurs> No, I very specifically told people how to fix the problem.  That's caring for the people with the problem.
06:23PM <Fox_Dude:#floridafurs> So that's why the governments doesn't crack down on spammers world wide.
06:24PM <SolusLutrinae:#floridafurs> Inaba...
06:24PM <SolusLutrinae:#floridafurs> Did you identify your bird?
06:24PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> In my opinion, since this is such a small network (compared to others like synIRC and Esper), shouldn't you just take care of the exploiters?
06:24PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> it would require much less effort than attending to each specific person affected by the exploiters
06:25PM <dariusdt:#floridafurs> not that had to spoof IP's though
<Simba:#floridafurs> When olliwolf, dariusdt, and rorroh were getting disconnected, I sent them instructions on how to fix it.  Now, they're fixed and can't be affected by it any longer.  That's pretty caring and patient, if you ask me.
<Simba:#floridafurs> You couldn't be any more wrong, Inaba.
<Simba:#floridafurs> You are so far in the incorrect zone that you're borderline moron.
06:25PM <Fox_Dude:#floridafurs> Wait, I wasn't affected by this exploit?
06:25PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> So, you'd rather attend to three people, rather than removing one that will most likely cause more problems in the future?
<Simba:#floridafurs> Fox_Dude:  I don't think so.  It was only 3 people out of the entire attendance of this channel.
06:26PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> if you allow these kind of attackers to stay on the network, you're allowing them to victimize more innocent members for no apparent reason
06:26PM <Fox_Dude:#floridafurs> Guess my router must have blocked the exploit then, or windows firewall, or mIRC or something. I'm on 6667.
<Simba:#floridafurs> Inaba:  Yes, because if I didn't, then their shit is still broken and someone else can come along and do the same thing.
<Simba:#floridafurs> The router is the cause of the exploit, Fox_Dude.
06:26PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> Then perhaps a fix is needed to be applied to the network
<Simba:#floridafurs> If your router doesn't have broken NAT code for handling DCC on IRC, you weren't hit by the text that causes the disconnect.
06:27PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> rather than trying to fix its users
06:27PM <Fox_Dude:#floridafurs> Ah ok. Tomato os on the wrt must be working it's stuff then. :)
06:27PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> honestly, my problem with this is that you just sit around while these people just go around killing random people's connections to their friends
06:28PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> and you refuse to take care of them correctly
<Simba:#floridafurs> I am taking care of them correctly.
06:28PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> if you ask me, that's not handling your network correctly
<Simba:#floridafurs> What part of "I helped them fix the problem" aren't you getting?
06:28PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> the fact that the problem still lies around
06:28PM <Fox_Dude:#floridafurs> It's like bitching at Microsoft for putting out fixes to exploits instead of going after those assholes exploiting the broken systems!
06:28PM <Daymond:#floridafurs> only to those that haven't updated their routers
<Simba:#floridafurs> No, the problem doesn't still lie around.  If the problem is fixed, which it is, it can't be used against someone.
06:29PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> Polybun, FastEddie, and several others remain unhithered, sitting in the main channel
06:29PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> if this network had good and reliable administrators, the exploit would be fixed on the network level and the attackers would be removed
<Simba:#floridafurs> Yes.  They have just as much right to be there as you and I do.
06:29PM <Fox_Dude:#floridafurs> Polybun, FastEddie, and serveral others remain unable to jump on another hostmask or ip address and exploit Darius
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06:30PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> but instead, we have to sit through you complaining to me that you are lying about doing your job of helping the network's members
06:30PM <SolusLutrinae:#floridafurs> It was my understanding that Anthrochat was set up because people didn't like that heavy handed shit on FurNet.
06:30PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> if you truly wanted to help them, you'd remove the attackers and fix the network
<Simba:#floridafurs> Actually, Fox_Dude has the other part of the point.  If I add a gline to someone, what makes you think that's any more effective than just getting the users to fix their software or routers?
06:31PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> I understand that, removing attackers usually makes them go away for good
<Simba:#floridafurs> You are so far incorrect, you'll be turning inside out soon.
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06:31PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> whatever
06:31PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> I refuse to argue with retarded furries
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<Simba:#floridafurs> No, it doesn't.   It makes them go get proxies and shell accounts and a whole bunch of other shit to get around the ban.
<Simba:#floridafurs> ioajg;v hopsdgi0q234g-q3u2-ctnrc -34uc0wehcg89rwehb89psehgioha
06:31PM <Fox_Dude:#floridafurs> Inuba: Which is better, exploiters randomly hopping between hostmasks and ip's maknig it impossible to truly get rid of them without screwing legit members, or telling the members hot to patch fix/patch their system so that no one can exploit them in that way again.
06:31PM <Fox_Dude:#floridafurs> lol
06:31PM <Fox_Dude:#floridafurs> Damn, I missed a couple words in there.
06:32PM <laveur:#floridafurs> Heh
06:32PM <laveur:#floridafurs> Luckily I wasn't affected at work
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06:32PM <Fox_Dude:#floridafurs> Dammit Simba! Why haven't you pestered mIRC into making a built in spell check!!!!
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06:32PM <SolusLutrinae:#floridafurs> No way, dude.
06:33PM <SolusLutrinae:#floridafurs> I have spell check as an option.
06:33PM <Daymond:#floridafurs> gotta be buddies with Khaled first :>
06:33PM <SolusLutrinae:#floridafurs> Turned it off FAST.
<Simba:#floridafurs> Where did I lie about anything?  Did anyone see that?
<Simba:#floridafurs> I mean, seriously.  wtf
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06:33PM <SolusLutrinae:#floridafurs> Lie?
06:33PM <SolusLutrinae:#floridafurs> Huh?
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06:34PM <Daymond:#floridafurs> <+Simba> ioajg;v hopsdgi0q234g-q3u2-ctnrc -34uc0wehcg89rwehb89psehgioha   Lies! :D
<Simba:#floridafurs> 06:30PM <Inaba:#floridafurs> but instead, we have to sit through you complaining to me that you are lying about doing your job of helping the network's members
<Simba:#floridafurs> I'm not paid for this shit.
06:34PM <Daymond:#floridafurs> It'd be sweet if you were.
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06:36PM <Sniffer:#floridafurs> The router exploit, in particular, may be triggered when the phrase 'DCC SEND ' followed by at least 6 characters without spaces or newlines appears anywhere in a TCP stream on port 6667, not just when an actual DCC SEND request has been made
<Simba:#floridafurs> Sniffer:  That's correct.