-:- Nebulous [irc@ocelot.furnet.org] has joined #foxie -:- Topic (#Foxie): Nobody wants to see FoxieBOT killed in here! Chanserv is way too limited, it's a big security hole by itself if you AOP everyfur, and good only for dictators. Ozone, I love you -:- Topic (#Foxie): set by vixy_fox at Mon Aug 25 23:02:31 2003 -:- [Users(#Foxie:)] [ Nebulous ] [ Aethas ] [ Staticfox ] [ OmniFox ] [@wwolfy ] [@FurtiveFox] [@GibsonFox|] [@orion-j ] [@Jerimiah ] [@Cyberstorm] [@Wildfox ] [ Foxxz ] [@Code ] [@ShadowClaw] [@Geodbz ] [@ReynardTod] [@Icey_Kitsu] [@Alynna ] [ CinnamonFo] [@NinersZzzZ] [ MooglePowe] [@WT|Sleep ] [@PsyroidAFK] [@LoneHusky ] [@Todd ] [ Eikon ] [ AnaSleep ] [@Foxen ] [@DFN-away ] [@BennetFox ] [@FoxieBOT ] [@Cecilia ] [@N ] -:- Channel #Foxie was created at Sat Dec 21 17:51:13 2002 -:- BitchX: Join to #Foxie was synched in 0.074 secs!! -ChanServ(services@irc.furnet.org)- The admins obviously don't want to accept FoxieBOT as long as it will op you. Basically: they want you to *not* have ops. 12:07AM hi Aethas 12:07AM hi nebulous 12:07AM eve... -:- Elidimari [Erid@ppp-cda-177.icehouse.net] has joined #foxie Greets, wwolfy. 12:08AM Whoah....thats a lot of ops.... 12:08AM It's normal for the channel. Or...presently is. 12:09AM when they put foxiebot to sleep it won't be 12:09AM Hence the "presently is" phrase. 12:09AM [Thylac(Kao@du210194.str.ptd.net)] Well what weight do you have? 12:09AM you know, when the admins walk FoxieBOT up and sever its head with an axe 12:09AM 0.0 Killing a bot eh? -:- SignOff wwolfy: #Foxie (Ping timeout) 12:10AM why is it that they're doing that, again? 12:10AM Invited to a d2x game. 12:10AM * N/#foxie clings posessively to FoxieBOT, his true love >:| -:- SignOff Aethas: #Foxie (Quit: ...bah, I lost interest in a cute phrase.) [msg(Thylac)] The weight of waiting. I'm just going to see if anyone says anything. If they don't, I'm going to accuse them all of exactly what everyone else accuses us of. 12:10AM ANGSTBOY 12:10AM oh he's gone 12:10AM stupid me 12:11AM * N/#foxie checks the list for people to bother Doing what? Enforcing the "no bots" policy that has always been around? -:- Elidimari [Erid@ppp-cda-177.icehouse.net] has left #foxie [] -:- LaserBeams [~laserbeam@pm538-36.dialip.mich.net] has joined #foxie -:- mode/#Foxie [+o LaserBeams] by ChanServ 12:14AM yeah 12:16AM * Wildfox/#foxie *SLURPS* LaserBeams 12:16AM * LaserBeams/#foxie eeps! -:- SignOff Alynna: #Foxie (Ping timeout) 12:16AM Hi Wild :P *drips* 12:16AM :P~ N: Eh. Mostly 'cause channel management bots are pointless, a waste of network resources, source of drama, and a nuisance. Channels can manage just fine without them on networks with services. 12:20AM what services? 12:21AM services? "chanserv", "nickserv", "memoserv", "operserv", etc. 12:21AM ChanServ, NickServ, etc. Those are "services". -:- CinnamonFox is now known as CinnamonSleep 12:21AM nini cinnamon 12:21AM do they do as good a job? 12:21AM nite -_- If configured correctly, without a doubt. 12:22AM Except they don't have quite as many automatic features 12:22AM Like auto-deopping after someone kicks once. 12:22AM Laser: is you setting up chanserv with entry level blah blah stuff so that it knows who to op? o.o And moreso, since they're on a U: lined host. 12:22AM I could, but Ozone really doesn't want that. -:- Foxen [~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #aryan-furs 12:22AM oh *tilts head* o.o 12:23AM If FoxieBOT is killed, I will manage the channel ops through chanserv, or Ozone will rewrite FoxieBOT to be compliant, though I'm not sure that's possible. 12:23AM :D -:- Nio [Nio@CPE0008743c4f73-CM014080218618.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #aryan-furs 12:23AM I think this channel could be run just fine with some properly defined user levels -:- wwolfy [wwolfy@210-54-80-202.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #Foxie -:- Foxen [~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net] has left #aryan-furs [] -:- Nio [Nio@CPE0008743c4f73-CM014080218618.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #aryan-furs [] 12:24AM Ozone doesn't think so. 12:24AM hi wwolfy 12:24AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] heh, Is that serious? [msg(Foxen)] Of course not. 12:24AM i like that deopping when kicking thing -:- MarjoryWarrenne [rara119@dsc01-aui-tx-5-5.rasserver.net] has joined #foxie 12:24AM So do I. 12:24AM Hi Marjory 12:24AM hihi Reynard 12:24AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] So... why? 12:24AM hi 12:25AM hi marjory [msg(Foxen)] It's mostly just a joke, 'cause of all of the other channels that seemed to have showed up on the network. ie. #Babyfurs, #Lifeyiff, #pregfurs, etc. I figure... We have all kinds. :) 12:25AM What ozone really wants is equality - everyone to have ops, everyone to have the power to kill other users. It's like the 2nd amendment. 12:25AM But only once. 12:26AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] heh 12:26AM thats what ozone had got 12:26AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] i think it's pretty damn funny 12:26AM unfortunately -:- mode/#Foxie [+oo wwolfy MarjoryWarrenne] by FoxieBOT 12:26AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] I'd stay there if i wouldnt get dirty looks for it :D 12:26AM someone wants to take it away 12:27AM oooBOT i kinda fond of you too [msg(Foxen)] LOL I can't take credit for it. It was some folks from #SAFurs idea. Their version of it got dropped from services and forbidden by an overzealous, non-thinking oper. I'm in there more to prove a point to her. *rollseyes* If you want a channel where everyone can do everything, there's nothing stopping you from doing that with services. 12:28AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] Yea, kinda like when Harik tried to shutdown #Zoo when i used to own it :P 12:28AM no nebulous didnt you listen You're probably right. I think I'm missing a point somewhere. 12:29AM he wants a channel where their are limits on most peole but they have real power 12:29AM Nebulous, here, everyone can do everything, once. 12:29AM * MarjoryWarrenne/#foxie curls up in ac orner and drinks her vodka mixed with big red 12:30AM until its looked at tehn tehy gac do itagain if tehy arent silly with the power 12:30AM For example, neb... wwolfy, deop Todd. (it's alright, he volunteered ;) 12:30AM checks and ballances 12:30AM * ReynardTodFox/#foxie wants somma that stuff 12:30AM wwolfy? please deop todd, I think an example is due. 12:30AM like the US constitution you are so proud of 12:31AM * MarjoryWarrenne/#foxie growls and drinks some then holds it to her chest "Mine -:- Staticfoxx [~pirc@192.104.1.58] has joined #foxie 12:31AM * ReynardTodFox/#foxie stares just beyond it, then 12:31AM you goy to br jokingh it would take me half an hour 12:31AM * ReynardTodFox/#foxie will do that 12:31AM ok -:- mode/#Foxie [-o Todd] by ReynardTodFox 12:31AM alright, now, RTF try to deop wwolfy -:- SignOff orion-j: #Foxie (Read error: Connection reset by peer) -:- mode/#Foxie [-o wwolfy] by ReynardTodFox 12:32AM wtf...? 12:32AM umm 12:32AM hhehe 12:32AM lol o_o 12:32AM okay... well... hmm. 12:32AM Something is broken. LOL 12:32AM Brb... >.> -:- mode/#Foxie [+o wwolfy] by ReynardTodFox 12:32AM RTF, part and rejoin -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Todd] by ReynardTodFox 12:33AM ahh ok -:- ReynardTodFox [savirc@dsc02-sfr-ca-4-43.rasserver.net] has left #foxie [bye!] -:- ReynardTodFox [savirc@dsc02-sfr-ca-4-43.rasserver.net] has joined #foxie -:- SignOff MarjoryWarrenne: #Foxie (Ping timeout) 12:33AM How odd. -:- MarjoryWarrenne [rara119@dsc01-aui-tx-5-5.rasserver.net] has joined #foxie 12:33AM Okay... security flaw, batten down the hatches @.@ 12:33AM lol 12:33AM :> laser, boy 12:33AM not a very good example 12:34AM * N/#foxie patpats 12:34AM * MarjoryWarrenne/#foxie drinks a bit more and sighs 12:34AM FoxieBOT: sorry boyo, its the glue factory for you 12:34AM on\only time ive seen it fail in two years laser 12:34AM Well, this is annoying... it's supposed to deop RTF. 12:34AM you try doing it LB 12:34AM hes not been oped 12:34AM hmm 12:35AM looks like he is o.o 12:35AM also the limiter nebulous -:- mode/#Foxie [+oo ReynardTodFox MarjoryWarrenne] by FoxieBOT 12:35AM yeah. glue factory. 12:35AM poor thing *pets FoxieBOT* 12:35AM I'm a chanop. 12:36AM I could try if you want -:- yithl [yithl@ool-18bd3d04.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #foxie 12:36AM angstboy ^_^ 12:36AM well someone else try it, then at least maybe we can demonstrate it works sometimes -.- 12:36AM but who do i deop? 12:36AM memee!! 12:36AM :D 12:36AM me :) 12:36AM * MarjoryWarrenne/#foxie pours a bit of bigred vodka inot a cup and offers it to ReynardTodFox -:- mode/#Foxie [-o ReynardTodFox] by N 12:37AM * ReynardTodFox/#foxie takes it ^^ 12:37AM * N/#foxie stares at FoxieBOT 12:37AM ReynardTodFox: oh baby oh baby.. ¬¬ 12:37AM * N/#foxie waves in front of FoxieBOT * Nebulous folds his arms and watches. 12:37AM (psst) 12:37AM (deop me) 12:37AM it only deops the other person if you kick someone, not just deop them i thought 12:37AM layzurrrr 12:38AM its broked 12:38AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] I think this is pretty funny in #Foxie 12:38AM well kick me then :P 12:38AM I see that. [msg(Foxen)] I'm lolling. -:- mode/#Foxie [+v yithl] by FoxieBOT 12:38AM N, kick RTF -:- ReynardTodFox was kicked off #foxie by N (wheee) -:- ReynardTodFox [savirc@dsc02-sfr-ca-4-43.rasserver.net] has joined #foxie -:- mode/#Foxie [+b ReynardTodFox!*@*] by FoxieBOT -:- ReynardTodFox was kicked off #foxie by FoxieBOT (You rejoined after getting kicked.) 12:38AM * N/#foxie LAUGHS -:- mode/#Foxie [-b ReynardTodFox!*@*] by LaserBeams 12:38AM cos it voices yithl eveytime -:- ReynardTodFox [savirc@dsc02-sfr-ca-4-43.rasserver.net] has joined #foxie 12:38AM * Foxen is an Admin. -:- SignOff Staticfox: #Foxie (Ping timeout) 12:38AM whoa 12:38AM that works 12:38AM whoa whoa, it didn't deop me 12:38AM okay, N, you're deopped now. 12:39AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] so removing the bot makes me lose my power. 12:39AM no i'm not 12:39AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] that's the only reason i say keep it :D 12:39AM Yes it did. technically, it'll kill you if you try anything else [msg(Foxen)] Admin of what? 12:39AM ? 12:39AM try kicking me again :P 12:39AM but i still see a @ by my nick 12:39AM Just try it 12:39AM Rey: but but o.o 12:39AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] #Foxie 12:39AM * FurtiveFox/#foxie sneaks off to bed 12:39AM ;.; okie 12:39AM kickme kickme -:- ReynardTodFox was kicked off #foxie by N (*scared*) -:- mode/#Foxie [-o N] by FoxieBOT -:- ReynardTodFox [savirc@dsc02-sfr-ca-4-43.rasserver.net] has joined #foxie [msg(Foxen)] Oh. What's stopping you from being an admin in Chanserv? 12:40AM NOW it deops me? that's SO strange 12:40AM yuop se nebulous 12:40AM its always done it on the first time Okay, so that's what you're trying to show me? -:- SignOff Thylac: #SAFurs (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:40AM taht peopel have power but limited power 12:40AM * Foxen shrugs I fail to see the useful functionality that has. 12:40AM theey can kick but lose thir ops for it 12:40AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] Personally I dont care. 12:40AM no mass kicks/takeovers allowed... -:- SignOff DFN-away: #Foxie (Ping timeout) 12:40AM yeah, what rey said 12:40AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] please dont tell Ozone i said that 12:41AM lie the limiter -:- SignOff Cyberstorm: #Foxie (Ping timeout) 12:41AM though if the deop is broken umm still trouble -:- DesertfoxNick [~SaibinTre@pcp02001033pcs.huntsv01.al.comcast.net] has joined #Foxie 12:41AM tho still, it only let me do it 2ce Yeah, but Services is on a U: Lined host. You can't takeover a channel that services controls because you can just use services to kick the offenders - regardless of whether you are in the channel or not. 12:41AM * N/#foxie murks around the bottom of the list -:- mode/#Foxie [+o N] by LaserBeams 12:41AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] ;D -:- AnaSleep is now known as Anakaine 12:41AM yay 12:41AM Rey, too -:- SignOff FurtiveFox: #Foxie (Quit: Im so cute and cuddly, they wanna test cosmetics on me) 12:42AM it gives everyone ataste of power Nebulous so they wont take crap even from ozone -:- SignOff CinnamonSleep: #Foxie (Ping timeout) 12:42AM our lovely assistant 12:42AM if they have the right scripts they might beat the system? 12:42AM and it limits that power so tehy wont be idiots -:- Marjory [rara119@dsc01-aui-tx-5-5.rasserver.net] has joined #foxie 12:42AM their iS no other system that does that 12:43AM everuwher else you are at the mercy of ops -:- SignOff MarjoryWarrenne: #Foxie (Ping timeout) -:- SignOff DesertfoxNick: #Foxie (Ping timeout) -:- mode/#Foxie [-b ReynardTodFox!*@*] by FoxieBOT 12:43AM gah im gonna go to bed night all 12:43AM and you have a dictatorship pleasant or not as it is -:- orion-j [orionpower@ool-44c084f0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #foxie 12:43AM nite -:- SignOff Marjory: #Foxie (Quit: Mated irl dont care to mate irp and dont bother me to yiff you in less i ask first. Have a nice day! ^.^) ReynardTodFox: Being on a U: lined host means that you can make arbitrary mode changes, regardless of your channel op status. No user scripts can beat that. 12:44AM even in softpaws annoy an op and you are introuble 12:44AM like Chance? 12:44AM here one guy can run it and share power -:- mode/#Foxie [+oo ReynardTodFox orion-j] by FoxieBOT -ChanServ(services@irc.furnet.org)- SOP list for #foxie: -ChanServ(services@irc.furnet.org)- Num Nick -ChanServ(services@irc.furnet.org)- 3 LaserBeams -ChanServ(services@irc.furnet.org)- AOP list for #foxie: -ChanServ(services@irc.furnet.org)- Num Nick -ChanServ(services@irc.furnet.org)- 1 Ozone -ChanServ(services@irc.furnet.org)- 2 FoxieBOT -ChanServ(services@irc.furnet.org)- 4 foxen -ChanServ(services@irc.furnet.org)- 5 Allara -ChanServ(services@irc.furnet.org)- 6 Wildfox -ChanServ(services@irc.furnet.org)- 8 Cyberstorm 12:45AM Foxie is unique -:- mode/#Foxie [+l 34] by FoxieBOT 12:46AM seen cecilia 12:46AM cecilia is on the channel right now! 12:46AM seen my mother 12:46AM I don't know anything about your mother, N. 12:46AM its FUn and this is place for fun 12:46AM that's my favorite 12:46AM seen you 12:46AM I don't know who you is. 12:46AM ha ^^ 12:46AM seen FoxieBOT 12:46AM You found me, N! 12:46AM Foxie BOt helps ozone or LB run it nicely 12:47AM but you're beating a dead horse, wwolfy 12:47AM FoxieBOT's going to the glue factory -:- Cyberstorm [Cyberstorm@adsl-157-229-210.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #Foxie -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Cyberstorm] by ChanServ N: I'm perfectly willing to see what all the hubbub is about. 12:47AM wwolfy is merely thorough in showing that FoxieBOT is perfect and untouchable, even if he IS going to the glue factory -:- FurriousFox [~fox@ip68-104-118-196.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #foxie 12:48AM anyway I'm off, maybe be on later 12:48AM its one thing to decide soemthing its another to expect peopel to say how wonderful youve decided to fuck the best Fox channel on IRC -:- SignOff ReynardTodFox: #Foxie (Quit: byebye) 12:48AM adeeos RTF 12:48AM late -:- SignOff Foxxz: #Foxie (Quit: ) 12:49AM what we can do and what we think of the people who did it are two different things.......even N understnds that -:- mode/#Foxie [+o FurriousFox] by FoxieBOT 12:50AM what FoxieBOT does that chanserv can't do is, well, its a lot friendlier. chanserv might be able to do what FoxieBOT can, but we'd never /miss/ chanserv. we'll miss FoxieBOT. I have a feeling that it's kinda like understanding subnetting. One day, it just clicks and you're like, "Oh! I see how it works!" Until then, you go cross-eyed thinking about it. 12:51AM yeah 12:52AM i stay her cos of the BOT From an outsider's point of view, that sounds almost pathetic. 12:52AM you can HUG FoxieBOT :D 12:52AM seen N 12:52AM Looking for yourself, eh N? -:- DesertfoxNick [~SaibinTre@pcp02001033pcs.huntsv01.al.comcast.net] has joined #Foxie -:- CherryFox [CherryFox@0-1pool36-169.nas12.holland1.mi.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #foxie No offense or anything. 12:52AM Seen god :p 12:52AM Let's not get into a religious discussion, LaserBeams 12:53AM Nebulous: correct. but i know you understand that if you weren't an outsider you'd feel differently about it 12:53AM (I could do without the silly responses and yerf-it though -:- mode/#Foxie [+oo DesertfoxNick CherryFox] by FoxieBOT Just out of curiosity, when Ozone says the word, "egality", does he really mean "equality"? 12:56AM Yes That's been driving us nuts since the start of this whole drama. We were like wtf is "egality"? 12:56AM Ozone speak good engrish It's not on merriam-webster.com .----------------------------------------- -- - | Espeon-Anthro (YourNick@modem-1048.rickt.dialup.pol.co.uk) (United Kingdom) : ircname : Daniel Burns | channels : #2sSquawkBox | server : ocelot.furnet.org (The Nebulous Furnet server) | register : Espeon-Anthro - is a registered nick : idle : 0 hours 0 mins 55 secs (signon: Mon Aug 25 22:59:14 2003) 12:57AM Ozone speaks bush :x 12:57AM aw, no, that's mean 12:57AM Depends on which Bush 12:57AM So... can you make chanserv do a one-kick, one-ban reversal, and make it as easy to manage for the admins, as this? 12:57AM Aussie Bush -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Nebulous] by LaserBeams -:- SignOff Karna: #SAFurs (Quit: ) 12:58AM Nebulous is already registered in my database as 'SERVER' 12:58AM * Foxen/#Foxie laughs Wow. I'm special. 12:58AM Bad example... 12:58AM [Foxen(~foxen@ool-18bf0d99.dyn.optonline.net)] that thing is falling apart -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Eikon] by LaserBeams 12:58AM There, I just added a new hostmask to Eikon's lineup. -:- Anakaine is now known as AnaFurCut LaserBeams: I don't think that functionality exists, no. (one-kick, one-ban thing) 01:00AM I know it doesn't. So what's the sense in removing FoxieBOT, and it's many months of work? 01:00AM It's no load on your servers. 01:00AM Im sorry to sound grumpy Nebulous but this place is fun 01:00AM just one more user. 01:00AM and fun is delicate 01:00AM How many other channels this size do you know that are this active? 01:01AM and if ozone was runing it i may not stay As far as adding hostmasks is concerned, that's handled by user authentication and registration. Hostmasks are irrelevant. 01:01AM When I joined here in october, I was getting 100-KB logs of this channel per day... now it's up around 200. 01:01AM but foxiebot runs it and Ozone steers #Furry, #Fursuit, and #Pawpet on irc.pawpet.org. -:- CinnamonSleep [~no@pcp03532684pcs.bbridg01.fl.comcast.net] has joined #foxie Are all very high traffic, very well-rounded channels. 01:02AM Furry is hardly as active... every time I've gone in there it's been dead. 01:02AM * Wildfox/#foxie yawns and stretches 01:02AM that's true, this channel SPEAKS 01:03AM Fursuit... well, nobody has power in there. Just voice, nothing but protection from the +m. (#Pawpet only gets active during 7pm to 11pm EDT on Sunday nights) That's not true, LaserBeams. 01:03AM Does everyone with voice have the power to kick? 01:03AM Anybody who's voiced in #fursuit can still set a kick or kick/ban -:- CoolWolf [CoolWolf@ACAA5B8A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #foxie -:- mode/#Foxie [+l 38] by FoxieBOT 01:03AM Ah. LaserBeams: The level 3 access level grants them the ability to take care of trolls and offending people who are either lower access level or not registered to the channel at all. 01:04AM thats good laser 01:04AM Oh, yeah... forgot to mention FoxieBOT's takeover protections. 01:04AM Which you probably know about. Nah, let's here it. 01:04AM Nebulous peole who kick get carried away wwolfy: Those people should be set at a lower access level then, until they can learn to behave themselves. 01:05AM I'm wondering if it'll let you do it... but say, just for kicks, kick wwolfy and N at the same time. 01:05AM actually... lemme check. 01:05AM o\i was in alf when it ws popluar and their was take over and teh guys with ops went haywire -:- CoolWolf [CoolWolf@ACAA5B8A.ipt.aol.com] has left #foxie [] 01:05AM so continual ability to ban isnt nec a good idea voiceor not LaserBeams: Me? 01:06AM In alf they got hyped up and the result was an olmost dead channel with noone oped excpt the owner 01:07AM Yes, you. 01:07AM * Wildfox/#foxie is a regular in #fursuit and understands how their system works. Can't see why the same system woudln't work in #foxie... 01:07AM * LoneHusky/#foxie is away -( Sleeping.............................................z... )- at 12:08a -( P:On / L:On )- 01:07AM * N/#foxie is volunteered ·_· 01:07AM * N/#foxie watches o.o 01:07AM Yes you have been, N. 01:07AM ^^ 01:07AM anything works Wildfox how wel is teh question -:- Nebulous [irc@ocelot.furnet.org] has joined #blah -:- [Users(#Blah:)] [@Nebulous ] -:- Channel #Blah was created at Tue Aug 26 01:08:11 2003 -:- BitchX: Join to #Blah was synched in 0.024 secs!! -:- mode/#Blah [+nt] by Nebulous -:- BitchX: Help on Topic: Usage: /kick [reason] - This behaves just like /k See K for further information Other 1 subjects: KICKIDLE 01:08AM i just got woke up -.- 01:08AM and dragged tp neverwinter nights. 01:09AM the one dragging me away is going to get an "accidental" arrow in the ass. this i swear. bbl. 01:09AM bye code 01:09AM wwolfy: There was a time when #fursuit was also ran by a bot and several ops too. When they dropped the bot and went with ChanServ, alot of us did panic thinking it wouldn't work. But we learned that we can still use the services to kick, kick/ban, set topic, but the main stuff (settings for channel, removing bans) would be controlled by the owner/moderators (ops) of the channel 01:09AM Nebulous, what's the first thing someone with chanserv ops would try to do to takeover a channel? -:- EmiOfBrie [emi@rrcs-central-24-123-116-102.biz.rr.com] has joined #foxie LaserBeams: You mean someone who was added to chanserv with AOP or level 5 (depending on which system you were using) status? 01:11AM Yep. 01:11AM and how long would I last in fur suit treating the owner as I treat ozone? 01:11AM lol wwolfy -:- OmniFox [Someone@host-66-81-198-59.rev.o1.com] has left #foxie [] If someone has enough trust in a channel to be added as an AOP, why the heck would they decide to take it over? 01:11AM wwolfy: i estimate 12.7 seconds ^^ -:- Code [cadl@1Cust189.tnt1.tyler.tx.da.uu.net] has left #foxie [] 01:11AM The enemy is always close to the top. 01:11AM this plave encourages people to speak out even against the owner 01:12AM Nebulous: now you're being idealistic :D -:- mode/#Foxie [+o EmiOfBrie] by FoxieBOT 01:12AM Not long... 01:12AM if hes a cretin he gets called so here.............wher else does that work? 01:12AM In here, everyone can be the enemy, and everyone can have the power to kill everyone else, but there's rarely any kicks, or bans 01:13AM if i go LASER YOU ARE A LOZARRR wwolfy: Realistically speaking, if Ozone wanted to, he could bend things in his favor. 01:13AM he'll be like o\/o!! 01:13AM Be he doesn't 01:13AM but that's about it 01:13AM and itsnot ozone whose quite dictatorish its his system 01:13AM * LaserBeams/#foxie is LozarBeans 01:13AM XD 01:13AM beans?! XD 01:13AM yes but hed be oposed nebulous 01:14AM wher else is that encouraged ? LaserBeams: That's his better judgement, then. 01:14AM no its teh system Nebulous 01:14AM I'm a hobbesist Define "speak out against". Like, give me an example. 01:14AM it encourages independence Treat me like you'd treat Ozone. 01:14AM It is his judgement, true, but his judgement wants equality, with limits, which chanserv does not provide. Make me mad. ;) -:- Folf [pirc@ACA7F367.ipt.aol.com] has joined #foxie 01:15AM wel if you ser beinga nd idiot i deop you 01:15AM if i could find teh instructions 01:15AM and id get support here if i was right * Nebulous giggles. 01:15AM * /mode Channel|Nickname (+|-)modes [parameters] 01:15AM Like... wwolfy, do you think Nebulous's ideas are bad? Deop him. /mode #foxie -o Nebulous 01:15AM wwolfy: just this once, type decently -:- Folf [pirc@ACA7F367.ipt.aol.com] has left #foxie [] 01:16AM wouldnt do any good but its the principle 01:16AM Do it anyway, SERVER isn't supposed to have ops :) 01:16AM people are independent here 01:16AM this is it 01:16AM chanserv limits who gets powers 01:16AM foxiebot limits power itself 01:16AM anyone can attain power somehow someway no matter what 01:17AM 8nods dear God N is making sence I must go 01:17AM hehhhe 01:17AM shh shh shh never speak of this again 01:17AM im deleiious obvuiuosly 01:18AM bye al going 01:18AM Nebulous: you said an AOP would never do such thing as just kick people or take over a channel 01:18AM i called you idealistic. 01:18AM bye wwolfy -:- SignOff wwolfy: #Foxie (Quit: "Ive ben haveing these weird thoughts lately....I mean is ANY of this for real? *silence* What am I saying? I’m saying some fictions might have a real god hiding beneath the surface of the page. I’m saying some fictions might be alive…That’s what I’m saying” – Hermes, pgs 16-17) Okay. If I do something to try and break it, I'll help you fix it. But, I want to prove a point. 01:19AM ok -:- Thesi [o.o@lbr-ab50-106.dial.allstream.net] has joined #foxie -:- BitchX: Help on Topic: Usage: /mdop - Mass deops everybody on current channel 01:19AM dragonhat -:- mode/#Foxie [-ooo PsyroidAFK NinersZzzZzZzZZ Icey_Kitsune] by Nebulous -:- mode/#Foxie [-ooo Eikon orion-j FoxieBOT] by Nebulous -:- mode/#Foxie [-ooo ShadowClaw EmiOfBrie GibsonFox|zZzZ] by Nebulous -:- mode/#Foxie [-ooo N FurriousFox LaserBeams] by Nebulous -:- mode/#Foxie [-ooo Wildfox Todd Cecilia] by Nebulous -:- mode/#Foxie [-ooo CherryFox DesertfoxNick Geodbz] by Nebulous -:- mode/#Foxie [-ooo Jerimiah WT|Sleep Cyberstorm] by Nebulous -:- mode/#Foxie [-ooo BennetFox Foxen LoneHusky] by Nebulous 01:19AM * CherryFox/#foxie yawns foxily and sez good night all -:- mode/#Foxie [+o FoxieBOT] by ChanServ 01:19AM -ChanServ:#foxie- OP command used for FoxieBOT by FoxieBOT 01:19AM yiffl :D Okay, very good. 01:19AM O.o;?? 01:19AM You're server, you can do that. -:- mode/#Foxie [+o LaserBeams] by ChanServ 01:20AM -ChanServ:#foxie- OP command used for LaserBeams by LaserBeams 01:20AM I still got my voice. yey... -:- mode/#Foxie [+ooooo PsyroidAFK NinersZzzZzZzZZ Icey_Kitsune Eikon orion-j] by Nebulous -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Cyberstorm] by ChanServ 01:20AM -ChanServ:#foxie- OP command used for Cyberstorm by Cyberstorm 01:20AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie blinks 01:20AM What happened?" 01:20AM * N/#foxie pats Cyberstorm "go back to sleep" -:- mode/#Foxie [+ooooo ShadowClaw EmiOfBrie GibsonFox|zZzZ N FurriousFox] by Nebulous 01:20AM * Wildfox/#foxie waits... 01:20AM o.o 01:20AM You were deopped by a furserv admin. 01:20AM You missed testing. 01:20AM As I'm sure Ozone would say, please don't manually op -:- ShadowClaw [~ShadowCla@CPE-65-30-101-213.kc.rr.com] has left #Foxie [] -:- ShadowClaw [~ShadowCla@CPE-65-30-101-213.kc.rr.com] has joined #Foxie 01:20AM Nebulous, stop reopping people 01:21AM Ohh, wait, I see, he de-opped everyone. 01:21AM Yes. 01:21AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie missed some of that -:- mode/#Foxie [+oovooo BennetFox Foxen Foxen Cecilia Todd LoneHusky] by FoxieBOT -:- mode/#Foxie [+oovv Geodbz Jerimiah LaserBeams Cyberstorm] by FoxieBOT 01:21AM see? 01:22AM Ohh, I think the point he was trying to make is that he could "Take over" the channel... Strangely enough, I still have ops. What's 01:22AM * Thesi/#foxie grows a third eye o,o,o up with that? 01:22AM Merf....what about me? Stupid thing... -:- mode/#Foxie [-o Nebulous] by Cyberstorm 01:22AM Nebulous, you're listed in FoxieBOT as a furnet Admin. 01:22AM Better? Ooh. 01:22AM you can do almost anything. My bad. -:- mode/#Foxie [+ooo DesertfoxNick CherryFox ShadowClaw] by FoxieBOT 01:22AM we can't avoid that 01:22AM he's a furnet Admin? 01:22AM rejoin without the fancy hostmask, and try it again. 01:22AM Yes. 01:22AM but we're at least trying to avoid it on a smaller level 01:23AM (fancy hostmask XD) 01:23AM Ohh. 01:23AM why don't i just try? 01:23AM *gulp* 01:23AM Go ahead -:- Simba [nospam@pridelands.org] has joined #Foxie 01:23AM Neat -:- mode/#Foxie [-ooo BennetFox Cecilia CherryFox] by N -:- N was kicked off #foxie by FoxieBOT (Mass deop. Go sit in a corner.) 01:23AM Thre we go. 01:23AM LOL 01:23AM Okay, that works. 01:23AM Why are all the admins coming? -:- N [n@c-66-176-67-220.se.client2.attbi.com] has joined #foxie -:- Wildfox [Mike29@24.247.202.11.bay.mi.chartermi.net] has left #foxie [] -:- Wildfox [Mike29@24.247.202.11.bay.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #foxie -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Wildfox] by ChanServ 01:23AM Is this hostmask set as SERVER? 01:24AM * N/#foxie comes back and rubs his head "that kinda hurt" 01:24AM Heya Simba 01:24AM but see, that's what happens Hi Cyberstorm. 01:24AM opmeopme 01:24AM I mean, Hi Cyberstorm. 01:24AM N, you're fixed 01:24AM lemme check Simba 01:24AM I'm WHAT?~ :x 01:24AM i would hope not 01:24AM No it's not -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Simba] by LaserBeams 01:24AM Either way, I already got the demonstration. 01:25AM FoxieBOT: come on, i was just kidding ;.; 01:25AM You're registered now, but not as server 01:25AM N, you're all okay with Foxiebot now 01:25AM LOL -:- N [n@c-66-176-67-220.se.client2.attbi.com] has left #foxie [] -:- N [n@c-66-176-67-220.se.client2.attbi.com] has joined #foxie 01:25AM n wait 2 mins 01:26AM You have to wait 2 minutes to be opped 01:26AM righto 01:26AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie nodnods 01:26AM * Eikon/#foxie thinks his ops are broken or something. -:- Fox-lingTC [shadow@ACC5A623.ipt.aol.com] has joined #foxie 01:27AM They used to work.. then they sorta stopped.. o.O 01:27AM Oh wait 01:27AM * Eikon/#foxie kicks self =P -:- mode/#Foxie [+o BennetFox] by LaserBeams -:- mode/#Foxie [+ooo Cecilia CherryFox N] by LaserBeams 01:27AM danku <3 -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Thesi] by LaserBeams 01:27AM Simba: so, see? 01:28AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie chuckles softly and watches idly. -:- PsyroidAFK is now known as Psyroid 01:28AM Thankie 01:28AM I think At least it knows how to ask Chanserv for ops. I'll give it that. -:- Simba [nospam@pridelands.org] has left #Foxie [] 01:28AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie nods, and wishes Ozone were here 01:28AM he designed it well 01:29AM and this way the only people who can take over the channel are admins like you I'm actually glad he's not here. The one run-in I had with him was not a pleasant one. 01:29AM Ohh? See... FoxieBOT is already K:Lined from my server, and has been for over a month. I didn't set an Akill, 'cause I'm a nice guy. 01:30AM Why is it K:Lined? 01:30AM I still don't see what it did wrong. 01:31AM It was set to auto-op any user that had been continuously in channel for over an hour, and had spoken more than 900 characters of text, but I forced Ozone to remove that, now it's manual, and trust based again. -:- SignOff CherryFox: #Foxie (Quit: I'm a figment of your imagination :o)) 01:31AM I could see K:Lining it for that, for being a security breach 01:31AM but that's been removed, so... what's the problem exactly? Mostly, 'cause in accordance with bot policy, which was seldomly enforced, I enforced it on FoxieBOT. The reason: When asking Ozone if he had ever asked permission from the admins as to whether or not he could run a bot, he gave me a bunch of attitude, said that he wasn't there to ask permission, he was somehow grandfathered into being allowed from the YiffNet days, and generally had a holier-than-thou, fuck-you kind of attitude. 01:32AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie nods, "I liked it when it was manual trustbased 01:32AM Be around long enough, participate positively enough., type of thing 01:32AM good ol' ozone RATHER THAN just asking me if it was okay if he ran it on my server, he gave me attitude. 01:32AM Hmm... Ouch. He never got permission for it? 01:33AM He's French, what can ya say? *hides* -:- SignOff CinnamonSleep: #Foxie (Ping timeout) 01:33AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie meeps and should have a talk witht eh griffo to be nicer. 01:33AM I can see that....attitude rarelygets true results (He didn't know I was me, though) Er Simba even. 01:33AM Yes, that is true. -:- mode/#Foxie [+l 35] by FoxieBOT 01:35AM Nebulous, as all but actually chanserv-set current owner of this channel (Ozone temporarily deferred to me so he could "take a vacation"... Can FoxieBOT please be allowed to stay? No grandfather clauses, nothing fancy... I just want the channel to be easy to manage as possible, and FoxieBOT makes that possible. Now, if it seems like a thing that the majority of the users are interested it, I'm willing to forego the owner's arrogance and attitude. 01:36AM .... The problem thus far is that Ozone's maturity level when it came to dealing with this issue has left much to be desired. -:- SignOff Cyberstorm: #Foxie (Ping timeout) 01:36AM I like foxiebot... 01:37AM I will agree with you on that. He's very passionate about the amount of work he "put into his baby" I mean, the demands he was making as if he was calling the shots were astounding. 01:37AM Too passionate. 01:37AM trust me, it was a bitch in the old days... 01:37AM is it that he spoke like that or that he spoke to -you- like that? He spoke like that to the admin list. 01:38AM O.O 01:38AM :D His first post sounded like an infomercial. 01:38AM ... 01:38AM the dark days of Sibe... kept taking over the channel, and renaming it to defacing things... 01:38AM Jeri: blahblah. -:- WT|Sleep is now known as WolfTigress The second one sounded like a "Well, this is how it is. This is how it is going to have to be. You have to do this work for me or else!" And he spammed the admin list with the entire contents of FoxieBOT's database in his message. It was one huuugge ass message. 01:39AM Ozone is less of a god than he wishes he is. 01:39AM I'm glad I don't get that mail, I would have gone off at him for it. I can forward it to you. It's cluttering up my inbox. :p Might as well clutter yours. Hehehe. 01:40AM No, please... my inbox is full of SoBig x.x LOL, you too, huh? 01:40AM Yeah... x.x -:- mode/#Foxie [+o WolfTigress] by FoxieBOT 01:40AM I've emptied my 7 mb limit about 6 times so far. Luckily my pridelands.org account didn't get any, but my work account was getting them every few minutes. -:- SignOff Raemuz: #SAFurs (Quit: Bedtime.) 01:40AM I'm about to go draw 01:41AM closing argument: earlier, wwolfy actually said something i thought made a lot of sense (which is suprising). "fun is delicate" 01:41AM Jerimiah, speaking of Sibe, he has been back in this channel twice that i have seen 01:41AM Jerisune: wanna opencanvas with me? 01:41AM and banned both times if i remember correct 01:41AM WT, he's still around, but isn't causing any noticeable problems. Sibe is a unique case. He simply cannot be banned effectively. 01:42AM i have noticed -:- Foxen is now known as Foxen[z] 01:42AM the end of his quit message says Sibe auto kill ban or something to that effect We must have set 20 akills in a day for him, and he just keeps poppin' up from more hosts. 01:42AM like anyone who uses AOL? 01:42AM been back a lot more than twice. Er, well, I don't set akills for him. I know it's pointless, so I don't waste my keystrokes. 01:43AM Honestly if people would just ignore him and such it wouldn't be an issue. 01:44AM He's around a lot, at least he wants peoples' opinion of him to change. Hence his lack of causing problems. He's only done things when provoked into it, for example "Hey Sibe, I bet you can't take down my connection, I have like 5 firewalls!" - 1 minute later, the user pings out. Eikon: When he gets ignored, he just gets more in your face. :p Until you do something. 01:44AM So put him on ignore =P Then he attacks you for doing something. 01:44AM He won't bug you if you don't start anything with him. It's an endless cycle. 01:44AM i don't speak to him 01:44AM Eikon is right, from what I've seen. 01:45AM He'll only mess with you if you mess with him. 01:45AM I've seen it countless times. -:- Alynna [~alynna@router.animaltracks.net] has joined #foxie 01:45AM I had a nice conversation with him a few times. 01:45AM i've experienced it a few, hehe 01:45AM Its when people attack him with the whole "Oh Sibe your so bad we hate you go away" stuff. I've spoken with him on the phone. 01:45AM He didn't get on my case because I didn't assume anything about him. -:- Cyberstorm [Cyberstorm@adsl-157-238-159.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #Foxie -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Cyberstorm] by ChanServ 01:45AM i always wanted to meet sibe N: Morbid curiosity? 01:46AM i don't speak to him so i don't start anything with him 01:46AM hehe... 01:46AM i think there's good to everyone somewhere c.c -:- AnaFurCut is now known as Anakaine 01:46AM but that's a secret. 01:46AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie wonders what he missed, cursed ISP Ooo... idealistic. :) 01:46AM :D i know, but its not to be right, its the results that matter to me 01:46AM I remember when Sibe actually helped out in softpaws 01:47AM philosophy does not have to be correct, what comes from following it is what is important 01:47AM kicked some sa fur ass, hehe 01:47AM * N/#foxie doesn't know anything, really, tho. so don't bother listening to his ramblings ^^ 01:47AM * yithl/#foxie nods wiff Thesi -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Alynna] by FoxieBOT 01:48AM poopers, i don't feel like drawing v.v N: You're not giving yourself the credit you deserve with that last statement. 01:48AM A company with a history of technology innovation, it was a co-developer of the CD, DVD, and Super Audio CD, and was the first to deliver music while we "walk". <--- Sony/Phillips/Matsushita ??? 01:49AM Sony, I'm pretty sure. 01:49AM Nebulous, does the N carry? 01:49AM Time for me to head out for the night, see you all later! 01:49AM Night wild 01:49AM sleep well Huh? 01:49AM i don't deserve credit, Nebulous. <:D -:- SignOff Wildfox: #Foxie (Quit: http://www.chameleon.net/wildfox/index.htm) 01:49AM * Eikon/#foxie licks N and hands him a debit. =] 01:49AM snap LOL 01:49AM :D 01:49AM now i can go BROKE 01:50AM Yay Debt ^^ -:- BitchX: Unknown command: QHOIA .----------------------------------------- -- - | N (n@c-66-176-67-220.se.client2.attbi.com) (Internic Commercial) : ircname : n | channels : @#Foxie @#vcl @#eatshitanddie | server : ocelot.furnet.org (The Nebulous Furnet server) | register : N - is a registered nick : idle : 0 hours 0 mins 39 secs (signon: Mon Aug 25 01:32:15 2003) 01:50AM actually, i use a debit card 01:50AM but shh #eatshitan ShroomFox H@ ~newkultki@cs666978-11.satx.rr.com (Fox McCloud) #eatshitan N H% n@c-66-176-67-220.se.client2.attbi.com (n) 01:51AM I never figured out how that B worked its way into "Debt" 01:51AM sony, lb's 01:51AM * N/#foxie finds his way into words all the time 01:51AM Cool 01:51AM * Eikon/#foxie grins and licks N's nose. =D 01:51AM * N/#foxie is huskied ohno! 01:51AM had to look up Matsushita to get that, thohg 01:52AM * N/#foxie surrenders *undies onna flagpole. wave* -:- Topic (#Foxie): Nobody wants to see FoxieBOT killed in here! Chanserv is way too limited, it's a big security hole by itself if you AOP everyfur, and good only for dictators. Ozone, I love you -:- Topic (#Foxie): set by vixy_fox at Mon Aug 25 23:02:31 2003 01:52AM * Eikon/#foxie pounces the undieless N, tail-wagging lots XD 01:52AM I'm nakey o.o 01:52AM Okay, Nebulous: What's the synopsis, then? 01:52AM I know ;oD 01:53AM * Thesi/#foxie puts on a welding helmet 01:53AM * N/#foxie clapclaps 01:53AM * N/#foxie wears a censor bar well 01:53AM EEEK N has the clap! 01:53AM ! 01:53AM * Eikon/#foxie runs away! 01:53AM ;.; 01:53AM yes, Nebulous LaserBeams: The synopsis is that Ozone is waaay too passionate, to a fault. FoxieBOT does look like it performs channel management in a fairly unique way. 01:54AM * Eikon/#foxie ties up N. -:- Fox-lingTC is now known as Fox-ling 01:54AM The largest single place in the world to buy electronics. <--- Akihabara Station/Grand Central Station/Union Station Unlike I've ever seen before, even. 01:54AM * N/#foxie hides from Eikon, instead <.< 01:55AM must be "Grand Central Station" 01:55AM FoxieBOT good, Ozone quixotic. 01:55AM * Eikon/#foxie carries N over to Nebulous and offers the catboy to him, "We give you this humble sacrifice to spare our beloved FoxieBOT" 01:55AM why I'm saying that... I'm not sure. 01:55AM * Eikon/#foxie bows before Nebulous and sets the sacrificial N in front of him. 01:55AM did someone say neko-otoko?? ^.^ 01:55AM !! 01:55AM ;.; i thought i had a voice in this 01:55AM * EmiOfBrie/#foxie glompies N! 01:55AM Union Station Forgoing personal feelins about Ozone's perceived eptitude, it seems like services can't do the kind of round-robin management that you all seem to have gotten used to. 01:56AM take me instead 01:56AM i'm being glompied by someone i don't know 01:56AM help 01:56AM catpeople rock! ^.^v 01:56AM myah! 01:56AM EmiOfBrie: how do you ..? 01:56AM Hey its EmiOfBrie. 01:56AM hmm? 01:56AM Nebulous: Thank you, I'd agree that's a nice simple assessment. 01:56AM how do I what? 01:57AM I know you! =P 01:57AM You do? O.o 01:57AM Yes, you live in Minneapolis and go to the Sunday meets. 01:57AM yup :) I'm not the only one making decisions, but at least I understand it a bit better since I've had it demonstrated and not just had quasi-informative, overly emotional statements barked at me. 01:58AM Nebulous: whew. thanks. I have a tendency to fear change as its never been good in the time i've been in yiffnet->furnet Oh really? 01:58AM N you just didn't wanna be sacrificed. 01:58AM silence, canine 01:58AM * Eikon/#foxie barks! 01:58AM * EmiOfBrie/#foxie yips! 01:58AM * Jerimiah/#foxie whines... cuddles on N. 01:59AM * Eikon/#foxie plays loud music in N's ears and headbangs. 01:59AM Nebulous: i like this room. i don't want it to change. nobody goes powercrazy here 01:59AM (except for Oz :P) 01:59AM and will you all leave me alone i'm trying to have an adult discussion *hmpfs* 01:59AM (at times) 01:59AM bite your tongue, laser 01:59AM Adult discussion?! I thought this room was PG-13 rated? 02:00AM PG- whawha..? 02:00AM so.. all the times I've yiffed here, I was a bad kittydrac? N: So, in your opinion, the switch to Bahamut and Epona based IRC networking from hybrid was a bad idea? 02:00AM Eikon: you are either delusional or very unfortunately 02:00AM 'lol 02:00AM -ly its late 02:01AM Nebulous: uhhhhhh i don't even know what your talking about. i was referring to channel operations functions :D 02:01AM * Eikon/#foxie covers N's muzzle and drags him away, "Don't listen to him, its his naptime, he doesn't know what he's saying" =P 02:01AM don't confuse my little head with words i don't know o.o 02:01AM * Jerimiah/#foxie uses small words. *nod* So am I. I'm talking about IRC codebase. Channel operations functions are augmented by services. 02:01AM Eikon: don't patronize me o.o you lose 500 points 02:02AM * Eikon/#foxie is suddenly reminded of those little old ladies who hit you over the head with a cane for no reason =P LOL 02:02AM * N/#foxie does so 02:02AM fear the cane, canine 02:02AM * Eikon/#foxie yelps!!! 02:02AM * Eikon/#foxie rubs his head and retreats! 02:03AM Nebulous: well, pretty much i've seen a lot of ops ruin a lot of channels 02:03AM *grumbles* We'll see who changes your bed pan this time... N: Basically, I was asking what changes you perceived as no good since the switch to the new management and codebase after Yiffnet went down and Furnet came up. 02:03AM no no no, i didn't mean that 02:03AM i shoulda said yiffnet/furnet Ooh, okay. 02:03AM i didn't mean the switch 02:03AM ^^;; sorry 02:04AM its only 2 am! i should be chipper I think I just misunderstood the statement. 02:04AM i think i mis-stated it :D -:- Samo [Samo@102.b.001.tob.iprimus.net.au] has joined #foxie 02:04AM * Eikon/#foxie stands behind N facing Nebulours, making mental issue gestures. 02:04AM lemme rephrase LOL 02:04AM -r 02:04AM well, i've been here uhhm 4 years, and i've seen a lot of ops ruin a lot of channels. this channel doesn't allow that to happen Okay. 02:05AM Eikon: do you know what the word "neuter" means? 02:05AM * Jerimiah/#foxie doesn't! *Ahuck!* 02:05AM so it kinda scared me to hear that we'd be changing the system 02:05AM * Eikon/#foxie YELPS and covers his crotch. 02:06AM beware of the N... he has sharp kittyclaws. -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Samo] by FoxieBOT 02:06AM i do? o.o 02:06AM * Eikon/#foxie ties N's tail in a bow while he's not looking and quickly retreats. 02:06AM You do. *nod* 02:06AM * N/#foxie shakes his tailbow in protest 02:07AM * Eikon/#foxie calls up the Tail Humane Society and reports N's violence against his tail. 02:08AM * Eikon/#foxie orders a pizza and some porn too =] 02:08AM * N/#foxie pleas no contest and gets locked up with puppies and kitties 02:08AM <3 darn I fail to see how chanserv is a security hole as the topic states, though. :p 02:08AM * Eikon/#foxie buys N and keeps im as a loyal pet. 02:08AM Nebulous the one thing about FoxieBOT is that if someone kicks or bans someone FoxieBOT automatically deops and removes their ops til the log is looked at 02:08AM that way no one misuses their ops 02:09AM we aren't allowed to op anyone -:- SignOff Footboy: #SAFurs (Quit: /quit) WolfTigress: What happens if a whole mess of floodbots or trolls comes in here and starts trouble? -:- SignOff Cyberstorm: #Foxie (Ping timeout) 02:09AM then we can 02:09AM Nebulous: exaggeration is good to point out flaw that might not be thought of. 02:10AM Nebulous: they can't. 'cause of the +l? 02:10AM no more than 5 could come in at once, at least 02:10AM but if people are just being trouble makers we can't just kick and ban them because we don't like them 02:10AM The limit is always +5, +/-2 02:11AM . o (onoes i think i'm a communist) -:- SignOff ShadowClaw: #Foxie (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Okay, so say 5 trolls pop on because #SAFurs makes it to ALOD on Something Awful, and people have nothing better to do than to join channels and start saying stuff like, "Furrayyy faggot freaks! The lot of you! I bet you fuck your dogs!" While they're in here, and you're dealing with them, 2 minutes later the channel limit goes up by 5 automatically, and 5 more join. Now, if each of you has the power to kick only one of them out, would you have enough active users to take care of all 10 of 'em? 02:13AM they would be gone before then. 02:14AM Admins can ban at will 02:14AM And ops can kick nonops without penalty, AFAIK, I'll have to check on that. 02:14AM and that's what the admins are for. 02:14AM I'd get down their hostmasks, hunt them down, and kill them IRL 02:14AM i mean 02:14AM Foxen, go to bed :P Okay. 02:14AM i'd ignore them 02:14AM and i'm always here even while sleeping as you can see 02:14AM you *could* just set the channel to +M and not voice or op the troublemakers. 02:14AM you can also put the channel on +p Okay, all are correct answers. 02:14AM make it private or +i and make it invite only 02:15AM We have moderated it before, when there were a bunch of SAfurs in here. 02:15AM it worked well, and never got really out of hand. The added functionality of FoxieBOT only makes it so you keep yourselves from getting out of hand, and outside folks can be dealt with as per the usual methods. -as 02:17AM now ya got it :D 02:17AM Pretty much, yes. It's mindnumbingly weird, but I got it. 02:17AM And it works well :) 02:17AM like learning subnetting? -:- SignOff Psyroid: #Foxie (Quit: All Good things must come to an end.) 02:17AM :D Yeah, like learning subnetting. 02:18AM * Foxen[z]/#Foxie finally goes to bed this time. 02:18AM maybe o.o 02:18AM this room rocks because its virtually jerk-proof. 02:19AM * yithl/#foxie offers no comment, other than this one. 02:19AM :D LOL -:- Topic (#Foxie): changed by LaserBeams: It looks like FoxieBOT is going to stay. -:- FoxPalmer [FoxPalmer@12-210-38-2.client.attbi.com] has joined #foxie 02:19AM Hi FP NOnono... don't jump to conclusions. 02:19AM Hey!!! I'm only a single voice. -:- Topic (#Foxie): changed by N: It -looks- like FoxieBOT is going to stay. 02:19AM * FoxPalmer/#foxie snugs LaserBeams 02:19AM <:D 02:19AM That's better, N :P 02:19AM * Thesi/#foxie dedicates this one to foxie: 02:19AM * Thesi/#foxie is playing Pain - Learn How To Die (MP3@128kbps, 3.56mb, 0:55/3:53) Just 'cause I understand doesn't mean they're going to bend policy for it. I'll definitely put in a good word, though. 02:20AM So what is the "policy"? 02:20AM From your mouth, not Ozones 02:20AM laser! The policy is "No channel management bots." 02:20AM What o.o I just want to make things clear. 02:20AM * yithl/#foxie goes angstlysleep, now. 02:21AM goonight angstboy <3 G'night yithl. 02:21AM What's the reason for the policy? 02:21AM * Foxen[z]/#Foxie hugs yithl 02:21AM i love you still yithl -:- mode/#Foxie [+o FoxPalmer] by FoxieBOT 02:21AM that is what i would like to know 02:21AM yes, reason please.... that one I have been meaning to find someone to ask. 02:21AM * yithl/#foxie snugs onna N, Foxen, and gives Neb a hearty pawshake. 02:21AM * Eikon/#foxie licks FoxPalmer =] Before, the policy was "No channel management bots without permisssion from the admin of the server you're connecting it to." 02:21AM * FoxPalmer/#foxie murs and snugs warmly -:- SignOff yithl: #Foxie (Quit: The new porcupine on the block with the buff chest.) 02:22AM Okay, nothing wrong with that. Though Ozone should have gotten permission. The reasons are: -:- WolfTigress is now known as WT|Sleep 1. Typically, bots are a nuisance because they can be programmed to do nasty things (flood-networking, etc.) 02:23AM * LaserBeams/#foxie nods 2. They have the ability and tendency to interfere with administrative tasks. 02:23AM so implement a bot watcher or something that watches for multiples of one bot 3. With services, they're pointless, because a channel can be managed just fine with irc services, a centralized system. One that basically has /oper powers, and can undo any damage done by anyone being malicious. (Due to it being a U:lined hose) 4. They are taking up a slot that a regular user can fill in your user limit. -:- Cyberstorm [Cyberstorm@adsl-17-230-36.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #Foxie -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Cyberstorm] by ChanServ 5. Why waste the CPU cycles and bandwidth? (albeit an almost unnoticible amount) And that's it. 02:26AM FoxieBOT does none of these. It doesn't do nasty floody things, and it helps, not hinders administrative tasks, as you've seen. As for 3, while that is true, FoxieBOT prevents the damage in the first place. 4 and 5, well they seem a little trivial, for the amount of work it does in here. 02:27AM 4 and 5 look like fillers rather than actual reasons.. who came up with them? heh 8-) 02:27AM (I'm not meaning to be defensive, just stating the facts) 02:27AM * FoxPalmer/#foxie snugs FoxieBOT 02:27AM And Thesi is right... >.> heh... Taking up a slot that a regular user can fill in a server's user limit is a filler and trivial? How inconsiderate of you. 02:28AM give him a break, i think he was taking those off the top of his head :) 02:28AM * N/#foxie pat pats Nebulous o.o 02:28AM can i simplify? 02:28AM Its not like there is a big problem with filling up with users 02:29AM can i can i? 02:29AM Being an admin, I'd trade a constantly on, constantly watching flesh-based admin for FoxieBOT... It's faster, and doesn't make mistakes like a person does. Plus it has a better memory. 02:30AM and its always on. 02:30AM Just out of curiosity... How many users can you put in the ChanServ access lists? 02:30AM and it doesn't have mood swings I guess it boils down to the fact that we admins have extremely logical minds. When we see something as "pointless" and a waste of resources, regardless of how trivial the resources are, we try to get rid of it. 02:31AM i wanna simplify~ ;.; It's like writing in assembly for embedded systems. 02:31AM I certainly don't want to try to manually scan through a mountain of users. 02:31AM * N/#foxie holds his breath N: Nobody's stopping you. :) 02:31AM *exhale* neato LaserBeams: As far as I know, it's not limited. 02:31AM alrightalrightalright: according to the rules, FoxieBOT's crime is its existance. 02:31AM It's far easier to go into FoxieBOT and type ".match *reynard*" and find all the reynards, and see all their properties, all at once. There are 256 in #Fursuit's access list. 02:32AM Holy Schnikeys. 02:32AM but we can JUSTIFY its existance and that calls for an exception to the rule, provided we're still men and not machines. Easier than saying, "/chanserv access #Foxie list reynard", or setting an alias for /match to equal /chanserv access #foxie list"? 02:33AM Nebulous, that seems like inefficiency, compared to FoxieBOT... 02:33AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie earperks 02:33AM Cyberstorm: go back to sleep 02:33AM I think we all see FoxieBOT as a member of this channel 02:34AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie wonders why some argue for less effieient and featured systems,w ith such a passion. 02:34AM No, it's not. But ChanServ also doesn't do temporary deops, etc, without human intervention. 02:34AM Hey, I'm an #Foxie admin...I should be paying attention if it weren't for the connectio problems 02:34AM Myself, I'm an optimization freak. I use ChanServ to administer my channel, but it's only got about 24 users. 02:35AM And it works fine for that. Using it for #Foxie, would, quite literally, be a nightmare. 02:35AM Who is the owner of #fursuit? -:- boodie [boodie_@043.c.002.hob.iprimus.net.au] has joined #foxie 02:35AM Hi Boodie 02:35AM heya boodie 02:35AM boodie! Dogz is. 02:35AM * Thesi/#foxie pouncesnuggles!@ 02:35AM *hugs*\ 02:36AM elbee *hugs* 02:36AM Icey_Kitsune *hugs* 02:36AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie wonders if some people use an alternate nick to register a channel 02:36AM Okay, ask him if he *likes* managing the huge chanserv lists, and access levels and such. 02:36AM * boodie/#foxie snugglepounces Thesi 02:36AM Because I *like* managing #Foxie, with the help of FoxieBOT. Cyberstorm: That'd prove pretty cumbersome. 02:37AM * Thesi/#foxie gives boodie a tonguebath ^,-,^ -:- mode/#Foxie [+o boodie] by FoxieBOT 02:37AM i'm curious, how does one register a channel? o.o 02:37AM Talk to admins. 02:38AM oh, that's not gonna happen 02:38AM not in a bajillion years 02:38AM go to #furnet and ask You send a message to admin@irc.furnet.org with your registered nickname, the name of the channel, a brief description, and a channel password. 02:38AM * Icey_Kitsune/#foxie asked earlier 02:38AM Side note... I 0wn with the flak cannon in UT2k3. *score, 57, 43 above next highest* 02:39AM * N/#foxie would feel so strange asking to register a channel named eat shit and die 02:39AM * boodie/#foxie giggles at Thesi 02:39AM ill take you on in UT ;) ZetaWolf reposts the request (with the password removed) to the users list to see if anyone has any objections to it. If it's not objected to or ownership disputed, it's registered in a week's time. -:- Ozone [~Griffox@81.80.62.70] has joined #foxie -:- mode/#Foxie [+o Ozone] by ChanServ 02:39AM but i should. we get trolled so much and ripping the little bastards apart gets tiring. 02:40AM yerf. LaserBeams: Dogz doesn't have any problem with his userbase and channel management. He has enough helpers to get by without so much as a hitch. 02:42AM I didn't ask if he had problems, I asked if he liked managing the user list... anyway. Oooh. I imagine his response would be something like, "Eh, it's a job." :) ("That I don't get paid for.") 02:43AM * N/#foxie counts being here as a job he doesn't get paid for 02:43AM Hehe 02:43AM not just this room, i mean o.o Aaaanyway, I'm done being convinced. 02:43AM its obviously too late for me o.o 02:43AM Thanks for your time, Nebulous 02:43AM yeah, Nebulous 02:43AM We have helpers. 02:44AM * N/#foxie gives Neb an official "DANKU" and a nickname and everything :D 02:44AM thank you :) 02:44AM QUick, beofre the french say something offensive! LOL 02:44AM i was about to say that 02:44AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie meeps and snuggles his griffox, "Just kidding" he yips 02:45AM Anyway, I should have been sleeping about 3 hours ago... 02:45AM * FoxPalmer/#foxie goes outside to watch the lightning storm You're all welcome. Now to see if I can get Zeta to understand. -:- Snowmeow [...@evrtwa1-ar15-4-62-181-118.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #foxie 02:46AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie nods. 02:46AM too bad i couldn't help 02:46AM * N/#foxie knows Zeta's brain 02:46AM anyways, seeya ^^ See ya. 02:46AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie blinks, "Erm... he's always seemed nice. Zeta is a nice guy. He's blunt when he needs to be. 02:47AM snowy *hugs* 02:47AM * LaserBeams/#foxie has to go now *hugs boodie* -:- OpaqueKitsune [KasumiTaku@24-205-8-88.mpk-eres.charterpipeline.net] has joined #Foxie And that just goes along with having to deal with a mass of furries. 02:47AM he IS nice. -:- mode/#Foxie [+l 38] by FoxieBOT 02:47AM hi boodie 02:48AM bye elbee *husg* 02:48AM * LaserBeams/#foxie husgs back -:- LaserBeams [~laserbeam@pm538-36.dialip.mich.net] has left #foxie [] -:- mode/#Foxie [+o OpaqueKitsune] by FoxieBOT 02:49AM * N/#foxie huffs and mews 02:49AM I think i did okay. 02:49AM * N/#foxie can be a good guy. 02:50AM but agh. nothing but bad deeds for a month after this. 02:50AM [Ozone(~Griffox@81.80.62.70)] now I wonder why I get tons of "no" for hours when others can get a "yes" so rapidly *g* [msg(Ozone)] I wouldn't exactly call that rapid. [msg(Ozone)] And it's still not a "yes". It's a "I think I can understand where you're coming from." 02:51AM [Ozone(~Griffox@81.80.62.70)] ah. that's good. 02:51AM N: what are you going to do, pull the wings of flies? 02:51AM [Ozone(~Griffox@81.80.62.70)] Because for Zeta it was a definate "no" 02:51AM no no 02:51AM pull limbs off children 02:52AM leave the wings on 02:52AM attach the flies to a wodden model of the spruce goose and let them fly around with it [msg(Ozone)] Were you around for the comments that I made regarding the way you were treating the situation and why we weren't listening to you? 02:52AM N: ok, ok 8-) 02:52AM ^_^ 02:52AM * boodie/#foxie grins at Thesi 02:53AM thank you howard 02:53AM Cyberstorm 02:53AM :D 02:53AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie earperks. 02:53AM you would have prefered to replace FoxieBOT with chanserv? 02:53AM [Ozone(~Griffox@81.80.62.70)] I started it nicely, the first 2 days. it was starting to get on my nerves to bangs against a wall. 02:53AM Nope 02:53AM [Ozone(~Griffox@81.80.62.70)] I even tried FurBOT for 1 day to see if it was any good 02:54AM [02:33] * Cyberstorm wonders why some argue for less effieient and featured systems,w ith such a passion. 02:54AM ah, you were talking about chanserv, then [msg(Ozone)] A day is not enough time to get acquainted with any new system. [msg(Ozone)] And with a channel this size, leaving it in xOP mode is surely going to run you into management issues. [msg(Ozone)] It's waaay not flexible enough. 02:55AM [Ozone(~Griffox@81.80.62.70)] I said that to Zeta, but he was keeping on ignoring it. It was "this" way, not another one 02:55AM [Ozone(~Griffox@81.80.62.70)] exactly 02:55AM later all, we have a huge static storm and I need to shut down 02:55AM [Ozone(~Griffox@81.80.62.70)] I have his emails to prove it if you want 02:55AM adeeos, FoxPalmer -:- FoxPalmer [FoxPalmer@12-210-38-2.client.attbi.com] has left #foxie [] [msg(Ozone)] However, turning off xOP mode and using the ACCESS mode can prove to be effective in managing a larger channel. 02:57AM [Ozone(~Griffox@81.80.62.70)] we tried that too. it would be way too much work to manage a such big userlist. 02:57AM I was talking about people trying to argue that we don't need FoxieBot [msg(Ozone)] Initially, yes. [msg(Ozone)] It's a bit of work. 02:57AM yeah, i gets it :> 02:57AM And, some might evne continue to argue, evne if shown how much better FoxieBOT is 02:57AM * N/#foxie is a little slow ;.; 02:57AM [Ozone(~Griffox@81.80.62.70)] work foxiebot already does automatically. all the month I passed programming it 02:58AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie nodnods and pat's the letter 02:58AM you don't have to AGREE so easily ^^ 02:58AM yeah, but N is cute 02:58AM but i sounded smart today ;.;; 02:58AM v.v 02:58AM * N/#foxie puts on his other wing so that now he has two 02:58AM lookie, I'm good today :D 02:59AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie giggles and earscritches him too. 02:59AM * N/#foxie prrs softly and leans into scritches [msg(Ozone)] I understand that. And now that I know the specifics, I think I can back you up on it. 02:59AM * Jerimiah/#foxie yawnies... -.- 02:59AM [Ozone(~Griffox@81.80.62.70)] Ah, at least an ear :) thank you 02:59AM meh... I'm going to go to bed... tired foxie... :/ 02:59AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie smiles wider and forgot what the consinant was 02:59AM goonight jerisune 03:00AM consonant 03:00AM g'night, N... Cyber... :) 03:00AM and i'm a human 03:00AM with cat ears 03:00AM and a cat tail 03:00AM neow. 03:00AM thanks 03:00AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie nodnods and pets the amine cat-person then? 03:01AM * N/#foxie huffs and crosses his arms "its not that." 03:01AM its a complete coincidence o.o 03:01AM * Jerimiah/#foxie watches anime cat-girls dance across the channel. o.o 03:01AM but i rather like the irony in it :> 03:01AM * Jerimiah/#foxie poofs! *poof* 03:01AM * N/#foxie was a fur years ago o.o 03:01AM * Cyberstorm/#Foxie giggles lots and nodnods and fuzzles headfur -:- SignOff Jerimiah: #Foxie (Quit: ) 03:02AM Very Ironic [msg(Ozone)] For now, I need to get to bed. It's 3am here, and I have work in the morning. Take care, and stay calm. Getting overly emotional and producing an attitude which comes off as "I'm going to do as I damn well please!" doesn't bode well for garnering sympathy. 03:02AM well, i just lost parts as i started to dislike the fandom 9.9 03:02AM and kept my favorite parts. 03:02AM the important parts, ears, tail, sheath 03:02AM well.. yeah.. -:- KhyberKitsune [~khyberkit@adsl-210-69-28.mem.bellsouth.net] has joined #foxie 03:03AM * boodie/#foxie giggles 03:03AM * KhyberKitsune/#foxie waves 03:03AM KhyberKitsune *hugs* 03:03AM and i've got my wing. and my halo And now, I'm off. Take care, all. 03:03AM * KhyberKitsune/#foxie hugs boodie 03:03AM adios, Nebulous 03:03AM [Ozone(~Griffox@81.80.62.70)] yes sorry. good night -:- Nebulous [irc@ocelot.furnet.org] has left #Foxie [Poofles]